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  1. Steve N

    (see my comment at top)

    OK, let’s try this one:

    http://tinyurl.com/2exlxj

    I’ll work on the html issue when I have a little more time.

    Cheers, Steve

  2. brian

    Similar piece I wrote several years ago:
    Example: A person weighs 1200 pounds (The world record is considerably more than that). They lose 150 pounds a year for four years – that’s 600 pounds they’ve lost. But are they going to be healthy at 600 pounds? Pass a simple health test? No, they still can’t get out of bed without help. They are still going to score in the bottom 1% of people as far as health issues – just like they did when they weighed 1200 pounds – you have seemingly made zero progress in improving their health on the health test in 4 years – and if they lose 200 pounds in the fifth year they still weigh 400 pounds – they are still in the bottom 1% health wise and you’ve been working with them for 5 years!!! Why the disconnect? – because you are judging progress based on test results instead of reality. Will this person’s family be thrilled that they have now lost 800 pounds? Will they think the health team has done a poor job? That is why parents often are happy with their child’s progress when the tests seem to show otherwise – they know their kid has had 1200 pounds of issues as far as where they were educationally and they have made huge progress. That’s why teachers often get frustrated about some testing and teaching to the test.

  3. msheff

    Let’s see if I can do it. Here’s the link.

  4. msheff

    steve n, the link doesn’t work, even with the cut off bit added on.

  5. Marco Polo

    Steve N, I’ve looked at my blogger comments settings and can’t see anything that would prevent you from adding HTML links. I’ll try blogger help. If anyone else is having this problem, please email me

  6. Marco Polo

    Likewise, POT.

  7. Pissed Off

    Nice to know someone reads the stuff I write.

    Thanks.

  8. Steve N

    …com/causation.htm

    (link above was cut off) in previous comment.

    for some reason, I can’t post html in your comments, though I’m signed in to blogger.

  9. Steve N

    Very interesting stuff indeed. This all ties into the offlist communicado you and I had about causal contexts and emergent properties. For a little background on one of the most education-relevant treatments of causal conditions, see J.L. Mackie’s article entitled ‘Causes and Conditions’ which introduces his concept of insufficient but necessary parts of an unnecessary but sufficient (inus) conditions. You can find a clear summary here:
    http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/causation.htm

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